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Post by (>FSB<)Volxen on Apr 11, 2006 0:29:48 GMT -5
Yes, it is true Batman does not really have any weaknesses when it comes to fighting and such. In addition to the cartoon shows and everything else, one of the reasons why I think Batman is the best super hero is because of how excellent Batman Begins was. In fact, I have to say I think it was better than both of the Spider Man movies, even though I liked both of them a lot as well.
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Post by evilognob on Apr 11, 2006 0:51:13 GMT -5
But if Batman didn't have Kryptonite who do you think would win!  ......And yes Batman Begins is hands down the best super hero movie ever maded! |
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Post by (>FSB<)Volxen on Apr 11, 2006 2:47:45 GMT -5
But your basing too much on sheer physical strength. Yes, Superman is stronger, being that he is not even a human, but an alien from another planet. This is not a fair question because Superman would always win in a physical fight against Batman, unless he had kryptonite. But then one could argue that Batman has kryptonite with him, and thus he wins the fight.  Anyways, when you choose your favorite hero, it should certainly come down to more than just... their powers and strengths. The reason I like Batman the best out of the "big three" (Batman, Spiderman and Superman) is because Batman is by far the darkest of three series. It’s this darkness in Batman with pure evil villains that makes Batman a true hero. Despite his wealth, he has had it the hardest. One of the biggest things I like about Batman, is how he came to be who he is, in contrast to how Spiderman and Superman came about. I like the fact that it was his fear of bats since he was a child that lead him to name himself Batman, and to strike fear into his enemies with the very thing he has always feared: bats; thus his name, and why he is "Batman" is symbolic and has strong meaning. In contract to this, Spiderman and Superman simply began fighting because of chance; one obtained supernatural powers at birth, while one developed it after being bit by a spider. These two fight crime and do so heroically, but they only do so because they happened to get these powers, while Bruce Wayne decided to take a stance against crime and injustice as just a normal man (as you will recall from Batman Begins), before he even came up with his "Batman" Persona. To put it simply, Bruce Wayne became Batman only after deciding to fight against crime, while Superman and Spiderman fight against crime only because they where blessed with supernatural powers. Peter Parker is Spiderman simply because he developed spider-like powers and abilities after being bit by a spider, and Clark Kent is Superman simply because he has “super” powers, which is how his name came about; neither of these names are really symbolic, and their names are merely based on their powers, while Batman’s name has a strong symbolic background. While Spiderman and Superman have to utilize these powers to fight crime, Bruce Wayne is just an ordinary human who uses gadgets to fight against his enemies; this also makes him a more realistic hero compared to Superman and Spiderman. Superman and Spiderman fight crime because they where given the powers to do so. Batman fights crime simply because he made a decision that it was the right thing to do. For these reasons, I have the most admiration for Batman, and consider him to be the most heroic out of three. When it comes to a super hero, one very important element is the villains they fight. For instance, lets take a look at Batman Begins and the two Spiderman movies (I have not seen any of the old Superman movies so I cannot do a three-way comparison, unfortunately). In both of the Spiderman movies, both of the main villains are not truly villainous characters, but they are people who became villains because of unfortunate accidents that occurred. The Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus caused your average mayhem, but nothing truly dark nor evil. By the end of the first film, the Green Goblin was remorseful for what he did, and some what apologized to Spiderman. Dr. Octopus took this even further and actually died to stop his own plot. Neither of these two where really villains, merely good people who endured unfortunate accidents. In the movies Spiderman has yet to fight against a truly evil enemy, which hopefully will no longer be the case by the time the third movie comes out. Now Batman Begins, on the other hand, is completely the opposite. In contrast to the “not so bad” guys like the Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus, Batman is up against someone very evil (who on top of that, does not think he is evil but rather believes what he is doing is righteous and necessary in the name of justice) who is intent on destroying all of Gotham no matter what it takes, Ras Ah Ghoul. Ras Ah Ghoul contrasts Batman perfectly, because they are both equally determined to carry out their beliefs, and thus they are the perfect arch rivals; Batman is determined Gotham is worth saving and that it can be changed by the honest citizens, while Ras Ah Ghoul is determined, based on the cities history, that it will only continue to be a city plagued with crime and injustice, and thus it needs to be destroyed for its own good. While the Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus have your average “lets be bad guys and cause mayhem” mentality that most villains you see in comic books have, Ras Ah Ghoul has a clear purpose for what he does, and is not doing what he does simply because he is a “bad guy” who wants to make trouble so that a super hero can fight him and save the day. This is what makes him unique, and by far a more believe, realistic, and simply better villain than either Green Goblin or Dr. Octopus, if you can even call them villains. A villain is important because they are supposed to be a direct contrast to the opposing Hero, and I cannot think of a better contrast than the one between Batman and Ras Ah Ghoul in Batman Begins. Just as Ras Ah Ghoul is a good villain because of what he does and why he does it, Batman is a good Hero in part because of the darker villains he has to fight, because sometimes a hero is best defined in their darkest moments. Neither Spiderman nor Superman can even begin to hold a candle to the darkness that Batman experiences. Since Batman tends to fight the darkest villainous characters of the three, it could fairly be argued that as a result, he is also the most heroic of the three because he is required to fight against villains and circumstances that are much darker than what Spiderman and Superman have to do to save the day. It could also be argued that if one only fights “some-what” or “sort-of” bad guys, then they are only “some-what” or “sort-of” Heroes. |
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Post by zer0 on Apr 11, 2006 12:48:52 GMT -5
The spawn cartoon(on TV) was very gorey.. taken off the air on its 3rd episode. Dude, he's from Hell. You can't not expect it to be bloody and gorey. And why base it on the cartoon [that I've never heard of]? I base my choice on the comic books from which he came. [Except I never read any Spawn comic books...] I don't know; I recently watched the movie again. And I thought he was pretty cool. n___n |
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Post by evilognob on Apr 11, 2006 14:29:54 GMT -5
Holy Batman!!!!!!  Ryan you should be the president of the Batman fan club! LOL..........you're not are you? |
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Post by (>FSB<)Volxen on Apr 11, 2006 14:35:01 GMT -5
Haha, no. There are certainly people out there who know a lot more about Batman (and other super heroes) than I do, especially those who have read all of the comics and such (I never read any of the comics). I was basing what I said on the cartoon shows, and a lot on the movies.
Speaking of the movies, I can't wait to see how this Superman Returns movie compares to Batman Begins and the two Spiderman movies. Somehow I think Batman Begins is still going to keep the title of "best Super Hero movie ever", because Superman Returns would have to do a hell of a lot to top the performance of Batman Begins, which I do not predict it will do.
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Post by evilognob on Apr 11, 2006 15:00:11 GMT -5
Batman Begins is the best super hero movie,It'll be hard to beat it!
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Post by Vaelen on Apr 11, 2006 15:52:18 GMT -5
Until they start coming out with movies for ALL the other heros, and you know they will after seeing how many people went to see Batman Begins and the 2 Spidermans.
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Post by maverick666 on Apr 12, 2006 13:11:51 GMT -5
BATMAN BEGIN ROX EVERYBODIES SOX!! I even had a good guild in WoW running for a while called The LEague of Shadow. HEY LETS NAME OUR GUILD THAT!
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Post by leiter2012 on Apr 13, 2006 17:49:21 GMT -5
okay fine what about Majin-Buu from Dragonball Z is that a superhero enough?
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Post by Vaelen on Apr 13, 2006 19:58:52 GMT -5
 Not him again...
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Post by maverick666 on Apr 13, 2006 20:17:59 GMT -5
Wont ask. And i realized Batmans weakness is 2 things: Knight, and bullets.
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Post by leiter2012 on Apr 25, 2006 15:43:42 GMT -5
but majin-buu
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Post by (>FSB<)Pacific on May 19, 2006 6:25:01 GMT -5
mine is:
Spiderman, Spiderman
Doin the things that a spyda kan... blah blah blah
He kicked butt! (HARD)
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Post by (>FSB<)Volxen on Feb 16, 2007 18:46:15 GMT -5
I am bumping this thread for newer members who may want to participate in this discussion.
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......And yes Batman Begins is hands down the best super hero movie ever maded!
Ryan you should be the president of the Batman fan club! LOL..........you're not are you? 
Not him again...
