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Post by eX_Slapshot on Mar 3, 2006 19:29:17 GMT -5
No, actually we all have the input. You aren't there and can't see what is going on.
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Post by Vaelen on Mar 3, 2006 19:31:45 GMT -5
I dont see much chance of FSB falling into this mess. Its alot easier not to bother with the whole government at all.
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Post by Shuuto on Mar 3, 2006 19:33:04 GMT -5
What I like about FSB is that it is a fun, friendly community and treats it as such, without ranks and government. On the other hand, eX tries to organize the same thing as if it were some kind of movement, like a typical clan.
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Post by eX_Slapshot on Mar 3, 2006 19:35:02 GMT -5
I miss the good old days where none of this fighting took place.
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Post by Vaelen on Mar 3, 2006 19:36:24 GMT -5
Same here, buddy.
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Post by Sparty on Mar 3, 2006 20:47:53 GMT -5
No, actually we all have the input. You aren't there and can't see what is going on. Right, because I got the boot. I had hardly any say in the HC when I was there. All my ideas got good feedfack, but they just sat there and no one did anythign about them. And then, in my final days, they boot me with no warning and reconstruct the clan.
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Post by eX_Slapshot on Mar 3, 2006 22:01:22 GMT -5
Which is what I don't agree with.
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Post by (>FSB<)Volxen on Mar 4, 2006 0:24:58 GMT -5
I encourage Spartan to either try and combat the corruption in eXistence (which is becoming more and more a waste of time, as most of the members do not listen to someone if they are not a member, and they think everything the High Council does is ok) and fight to get his position back, or to consider to joining us here at FSB, where there are no corrupt leaders such as Narsil and Fookage. The eXistence leadership (which is now completly headed by Narsil and Fookage) is nothing but a disgusting dictatorship, and that is simply the truth, regardless of what people want to be the truth or think is the truth. As far as I, someone who was in eXistence for over 2 and a half years, is concerned, the "eXistence" I knew, the clan that truly existed for people to have fun and make friends, that had a good, non-corrupt leadership, is long dead, and is now simply a clan with a corrupt High Council led by Narsil, who are able to do whatever they want whenever they want, and the clan does not care or object.
If you cannot change eXistence, then there is no point in remaining in that "clan". In FSB, you would be welcomed with open arms, in a clan that does not have ranks or a system of government, because we are group of people dedicated to really playing games online, having fun, and making friends, without the distraction of ranks, and other things that take away from having fun and gaming.
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Post by Vaelen on Mar 4, 2006 9:37:31 GMT -5
We would be happy to have you Sparty. Right now, eX seems split into two groups. Those who dont care about the politics, only about the gaming, and those who believe everything Fookage and Narsil tell them.
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Post by Sparty on Mar 4, 2006 12:47:19 GMT -5
Well, no offense to FSB, but if I were to leave eX, it would be to create my own clan. RYan already knows of what I want to do if (and most likely when if they doesn't get their shit together) I leave eXistence.
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Post by (>FSB<)Volxen on Mar 4, 2006 13:08:05 GMT -5
Yes, those are the main two groups: the eXistence "leadership", and then the members who simply don't care what the Council does. There is also a very small group of people who are somewhat opposed to this Spartan issue, such as VasEcto. But in general, most of this "new generation of eX" does exactly what they are told and never disagrees or questions the Council.
This is what I predict will happen: Since there are no longer members like me (who finally gave up after seeing changing eX is next to impossible), the High Council is going to take advtantage of this "new generation", and will first state that they need to take away the current system of having the members vote for High Councillers, and instead have the High Council choose all High Councillers; not only does this give them the ability to completly choose other HC members on their own, it also gives them the ability to kick out HC members whom they don't like, or whom they consider disagrees with them too much (which is exactly what they did to Spartan). After this, they will try and get the members to stop the old five day discussions and following polls, and for them to let the Council make all of the decsions because it's "really neccessary and for good of the clan". At this point, eXistence will be a complete dictatorship, led by an unelected High Council who does whatever it wants whenever it wants, including violating the code of conduct to any degree they see fit - in fact, eXistence has already done this, as three of the five High Council positions where already quickly filled by apointment, those being Cloud as Head Admin, Winter as external affairs supervisor, and Narsil as Council Chair; Now they will just convince the clan they had to do it, and also that it needs to become official policy forever. The clan will ultimately be led by Narsil, who appears to be changing eXistence only from "Korzac's clan" to "Narsils clan", which is not any better. Since it is his server he will always be the "head HC" and will start implementing whatever he wants as new rules, and no one will object because again, next to no one ever questions the Council, and even if some do he could threaten them with his status as "Council Chair" and the person who hosts their PHP forums.
eXistence is dead. It has been dead for quite some time. This is not "eXistence", but some new clan that does not even deserve to be called eXistence because it is of comprised of several hostile, very young, and immature members who think they know everything and have no absolutely no respect for any of the eX elders who where there before them and actually know what the old and true eXistence was like, such as myself, Real/Phantom, Darknight, Anubis, Rivix, etc. But you know what? You cannot help someone who will not help themselves, and especially someone who refuses help, which is exactly eXistence in this case. I do not want to see eXistence either die or become this pathetic new clan comprised of hostile and corrupt leaders with subjects who follow them blindly and accept their dictatorship, but if the current members refuse to listen to me and everyone else who has been only trying to help them, then they are just going to continue down this self-destructive path until either "eXistence" dies or becomes such a corrupt and disgusting clan that one could not even tell that it was once the glorious clan, the clan truly known as "eXistence".
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Post by Vaelen on Mar 4, 2006 13:10:07 GMT -5
That about sums it up. At least we can still play with them in game. Those that actually game arent the corrupt part.
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Post by (>FSB<)Volxen on Mar 4, 2006 13:19:08 GMT -5
Funny enough, out of the whole High Council I think only Winter and Gambit actually play any of eXistence's supported games..... I know Narsil and Cloud almost never do except for Jedi Academy once in a blue moon (which is not a chapter in eXistence anyways), and Fookage doesn't since he does not (still) even have Battlefront II.
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Post by Sparty on Mar 4, 2006 15:54:48 GMT -5
He has it. He is just taking his time getting a comp that can support it.
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Post by leiter2012 on Mar 6, 2006 21:04:11 GMT -5
indeed
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