Discussion: Class Limits

[(>FSB<)Volxen]

As I mentioned in the other thread:

Feb 28, 2010 17:35:36 GMT -5 (>FSB<)Volxen said:

I have locked this poll, as we need to have a thorough discussion about this before any vote takes place. Issues that need to be discussed include how exactly this should (and physically can) work. For instance, with sourcemod can you just set a "static" class limit (i.e., you can never have more than 3 spies on one team), or is it possible to have some sort of "dynamic percentage based class limit" (i.e., BASED ON the current number of players on the red team only three people can be spies, but if more people join the red team then four people could be spies, and so on and so forth)? Furthermore, issues such as which classes should have class limits (and why) and which classes should not must also be discussed. Once we have thoroughly discussed this issue, I will recreate this poll in the Team Fortress II Headquarters section of the forum, as this is an issue that must be decided by clan members alone.

I have some strong concerns with implementing class limits, but I may not be able to lay them out for a few days due to my schedule. Accordingly, I am going to let Nikki start this discussion. Nikki, as I mentioned to you in the other thread, please explain in detail why you think there should be class limits, which classes should have limits (and what those limits should be), and which classes should not have limits. The issue of it is possible or not to implement "dynamic percentage based class limits" (as mentioned above in the quote of my post) also needs to be addressed. All FSB members are strongly encouraged to partake in this discussion and voice their opinions.

[nikki]

..I just wanted to know if people wanted class limits or not.. I was not planning on implementing anything. I just wanted to know what our members prefer.

Though I see no point in explaining the mechanics of how this works at this time, I will because it was requested. Though, I'd rather discuss it AFTER the poll so I don't waste time talking about how it works if no one wants to use class limits to the begin with.
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So... here we go.

You have two teams, red and blue.. each team has 9 classes. All you do is set a restriction for each class on each team. The restriction method is simply using a number, where -1 sets NO class limit and any positive numbers set the maximum limit for that specific class. These numbers have to be set individually for each TEAM and each CLASS. Setting the number to 0 would restrict the class completely. You can have it where some classes have limits and others don't.

So here's an example of limiting snipers to maximum of 3 on the blue team

"sm_classrestrict_blu_snipers 3"

Once the above command is set, that limits the blue team to 3 snipers at one time. You can't have more than 3 at the same time is all this means. This is helpful because then you don't have a team of 9 or 10 snipers. Admins on the other hand, can by-pass this rule.

After you've issued that command you have limited the blue teams snipers to a maximum of 3 at one time. Now, unless you added the "sm_classrestrict_red_snipers 3", which in our case here we did not, that would mean red can still have as many snipers as they want. So you need to specify the command for BOTH teams individually.

These numbers are not percentage based, basically find a number you want to set and set it, and it's set statically. HOWEVER, there are TONS of mods for this, this is just the one I was looking at in particular... I'm sure their are percentage based ones, but static would work fine.

And thus... you do that for each team and each class for your set numbers.

It's easy to do and nice. You can put all the commands into the server.cfg, a file that is executed upon server launch, so all the limits are put into place and stay into place until you change or remove them.

WHY I want this; because I hate servers that don't have it. I hate servers that have 7+ demomen spamming the hell out of my bridge I'm trying to cross, I don't like 10 heavies charging me at once, I don't like 12 soldiers spamming rockets everywhere, and I don't like a TON of engineers building up in their base because 2Fort is already hard enough without 6 sentries sitting in the courtyard. And don't tell me you guys like having a load of pyros W+M1'ing all over the place . I like my game to be diverse and have classes equally distributed. If you are worried about not being able to play your class, we can always make acceptions for clan members!

So again, I did not really want to explain mechanics just yet, I figured I'd go over that if people wanted class limits to begin with. I like to start with the basics and work up. This was not intended as a yes/no vote, it was for opinions as in the description above. Much like volxens display picture, just because EVERYONE voted for him to get a display picture did not mean he had to get one . <-- And I can't stress the "everyone" lol.

However, having a discussion rather than a poll vote is just as good, as long as it gets discussed. I like to see people being involved in this clan and participate in these things... it's just... the poll option is just so fun .

[tiger]

I will have to say a yes to class limits. I strongly encourage we do this because certain classes (like snipers) are just more popular than others. Another reason I support class limit is that it keeps the game going, it prevents the defending team from having five engineers and five demoman camping their base which would make capturing the intel very difficult.

I'm not too sure what kind of class limits I would prefer. I think since we're not a very popular server as yet, the percentage based class limit would be good. It would allow us to have nice games with like 8 vs 8 without half of one team being snipers. On the other hand it would be a bad thing since most of the time its just like four people on the server and you just might want to mess around so both people on a team might want to go engineer.

I think when the server gains popularity we should use the percentage based limit.

Also, I'm not sure if this is up for discussion but I think we should set the limit for the classes individually. Like a 20% (3/15) for snipers and a 33% (5/15) for medic.

Again, I'm not sure if this is up for discussion but I would have to oppose admins having the ability to get past class limits. I just think rules should apply to everyone and this would prevent an unfair advantage in the event of one team being stacked with admins.

[(>FSB<)Volxen]

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[tiger]

**Taps foot** **looks at watch** **is waiting for Volxen's response**

[nikki]

He said he would be busy for several days before he could make a detailed post tiger .